Bo Ningen
London-based four-piece band, Bo Ningen is a welcome anomaly when it comes to defining musical categories. Japanese noisecore, sonically layered wall-of-sound drones, coruscating metal guitar solos, psychedelic flourishes and early Prog Rock all wrapped up in elements of experimentalist Butoh theatre. And that's just their live performance. In the midst of their current world tour, Tank invited the band in for a cup of Bencha tea to discuss singing in your mother tongue, the delicate politics of festival programming, cosmic enlightenment activism and their incredibly long hair.
Paul Davies: Can you tell us how the band first came together.
Were you in Japan first, then moved over here?
Bo Ningen: Actually, we are all from different part of Japan. Then
we were studying in London and all met in 2007.
BN: First of all, me [Taigen Kawabe, vocals/ bass] and Kohhei
Matsuda [guitar] met at a Japanese music night. We were in
different bands then kind of we joined up because we have one
friend in common. We were introduced to each other and would talk
about music. For both of us, that was the first time we'd each
found another Japanese guy who can talk about music you're in to.
Something like extreme noise.
PD: Pushing it as far as possible… You definitely get that
impression… there's no mistaking that when you are live. This is
not a polite act, the sort of thing you would take your parents to.
[general laughter]
BN: Yeah, so it's at that point we started to talk about things we
really wanted to do… a project together. Then we start and Yuki
[Tsujii, guitar] joined. We met Mon Chang [drummer], and he joined.
Then there were four of us. All quite naturally… it all happened in
3 months. We weren't really looking for band members - it just
happened, really.
PD: Was there a focus to keep it as a Japanese band, a specific
aim?
BN: Not really…. it was quite natural, really. All the members we
met happened to be Japanese. That was it. And, some of us had long
hair…
PD: OK, so wasn't like it was a style statement. Or a condition
of joining a band, to have your hair a certain length…
BN: Not as long as this but longer than normal…
BN: We hadn't talked about this, like, "we should grow our hair
together." It wasn't like that.
PD: You have this recognisable look on stage. Most of you are
dressed in head-to-toe black. Everyone has long black hair. And
then Yuki wears these floral pants with giant flares. And Yuki is
wearing a floral shirt today. Yuki, is it a point of difference
that you won't wear black whereas the others do?
NB: We don't really talk about that kind of stuff. It's more
automatic. They dress like that; I'm like this.
PD: I can see a lot of journalists have used certain reference
points to try and anchor you but it's so far removed from all
those.
BN: That's our aim.
BN: That uniqueness… We always wanted to do something completely
different from everyone else.
BN: We can say the same thing for our performances as well. Cos we
don't wanna copy from what we like or want to be. If you compose,
perform, or play - if you're influenced too much by what you like,
it's gonna be kind of fake, not true of yourself. So that's why we
focus on live performance as well. But like to make music by
jamming as well…it's the same thing to me [Taigen]. Just not
pretending to be someone I wanna be, but be myself more. Focus on
that point, and then make it more extreme.
PD: The performance really is the ultimate expression of what
you're about. How have the responses been. Have you had a situation
where the crowd has been so shocked they didn't know how to
react?
BN: Especially when we're rolling around on the floor…
BN: At the venues we haven't been to before.
BN: Even in some parts of Japan or Europe we get that kind of
reaction. They don't move. I hope they are shocked.
PD: Is it an initial reaction before they begin to
understand
BN: I remember one particular night we were playing Paris the
first time. Everyone remained seated, no one standing for the first
15 minutes. I turned my head up to see what was happening. And all
the people move forward…
BN: The security guys were making them sit back down.
PD: And when promoters book you, what type of bands are they
putting you next to. Are they representing you fairly?
BN: Recently we've shared with good
bands. It was a bit difficult
before… we are hard to categorise in any one genre, I guess. Two or
three years ago, we'd be with really random bands.
PD: Like an electronica duo.
BN: Or a folk guy with acoustic guitar.
BN: If there's a strong theme for the festival, then it's OK. We
did this festival, again in France. It was pretty ravey. But the
stage we played was the only one with bands. Tortoise, from the
States, played before us. And also the drummer from Can, Jaki
Liebezeit. So, like, two legendary artists. Which made us nervous.
Otherwise, it gets odd - and in a bad way.
PD: I saw you at a Yohji Yamamoto night at the V&A museum
with friends, we were mesmerised. Towards the end of the set, when
it really got seriously loud, Taigen was giving off this energy
forcefield, gesturing mysteriously towards Mon Chang whilst he was
drumming. What was going on there?
BN: There were some technical problems, the power wasn't stable,
the mike didn't work so I was just shouting out. We like to connect
to each space and that hall has a lot of echo. Acoustics were quite
weird in there.
BN: We just decided to improvise… do our own thing, really. And
play louder to avoid the problem.
PD: You have said, "being psychedelic means to stand quietly
loudly in the middle of interzone to stare at both sides at once."
There is this English expression, "in the eye of the storm" when
there's a hurricane or a whirlwind. You can be in the centre of it
and it's almost like there's nothing happening…
BN: [vigorous nodding in approval]
PD: And you described yourselves as, "we are cosmic lullaby
enchant from the Far East enlightenment activists." Is this
something that's constantly evolving as an idea?
BN: [Group discussion in Japanese, then] At the time, back in
2007, 2008, we were still quite unknown, so we wanted to play a lot
but only get a chance to playing just once a month. But having us
play the music in front of the people its kinda like exactly the
same as enlightenment activists do. Trying to tell people about
what we're doing on stage. So that it's like playing with the
mask.
PD: I can see that's very useful. The song translations on the
first album suggest that it's never about just one meaning, that
it's quite layered. There are several different
interpretations.
BN: We keep our Japanese identity, of course. In look, even in
sound as well. I'm singing in Japanese because it's easiest for me.
If I were to sing in English, it changes the meaning of what I want
to say. And I do like to change the lyrics quite often. I like to
improvise a lot, so if I translate, I have to translate anyway from
what I'm thinking to my mouth. Sometimes, even what I'm singing is
not Japanese. I haven't even translated it yet. Then no one can
translate it into Japanese words. Before I tried to translate it in
to English from Japanese, which makes it difficult to improvise.
Also, I do like the Japanese as a sound and way of singing.
PD: What about collaborations. Do you swap mixes with other
bands, or producers?
BN: Yeah, for a Japanese version of our first album, released in
April this year. It comes with a second disc, this has five
remixes, including my own [Taigen]. There is [veteran] Japanese
wall-of-noise artist, Merzbow - he did remix for us. One other UK
producer, Dead Vader - a noise-step duo from Brighton. And two
other Japanese guys, Arai Shu and Ena. It's all from different
scenes. Like really underground goth-noise to dubstep. Then I do
something like experimental ambient. And another does
garage-electronic. Variation…
PD: You're covering a lot of bases…
BN: Yes, we like to have friends… mutual friends. Makes it
diverse.
BN: We like to crossover into different scenes.
PD: The logo for the band. Is there a particular meaning with
that? It looks like it originated as an anarchist emblem and then
evolved into something else. Was it you designing it, Kohei?
BN: I was studying illustration in Camberwell. Just wanted to make
something special…
PD: I like the idea of a crystal. A living element that can grow
or it can disintegrate.
PD: Let's finish up. Which year did you play Glastonbury?
BN: That was last year.
PD: A good year to be there.
BN: Yes, it wasn't muddy. But it took us five hours to get all the
wristband and security passes. It's just massive…
PD: You formed in 2007 and within three years you were playing the
Glastonbury festival. Pretty good…
The band releases a double A-sided single on 7" vinyl from
Stolen Recordings in November.
myspace.com/boningen




