Janine Di Giovanni Talks to Fatima Bhutto
Ghosts by Daylight, the latest book by award-winning foreign correspondent and war reporter Janine di Giovanni, is a memoir about war and the sharp edges of ordinary life - dealing with addiction, the pain of miscarriages, replacing one set of challenges with a different sort. For di Giovanni, who constantly follows stories that other journalists are too afraid to cover, from Rwanda to Algeria to the Balkans, travelling to report on the second Palestinian intifada while pregnant isn't necessarily as trying as giving birth in a Parisian hospital.
Fatima Bhutto: East Timor, Kosovo, Somalia, Afghanistan - what
separates war zones for you?
Janine di Giovanni: There are no separations... meaning human
misery is human misery, whether it is in Asia or Africa. But there
are places in the world where I've reported that are closer to my
heart, for whatever reason. Some places you feel utterly powerless
to do anything - that is beyond frustrating.
FB: I mean, how does one leave Grozny behind when Tripoli is the
next port of call, or is that impossible?
JDG: I think it's impossible. You don't forget people or images.
They haunt you. For instance, in Sierra Leone I once saw a
six-month-old baby who had been amputated by the RUF rebels so that
she - and all the people amputated - would be grotesque reminders
of their power and to instil fear. I see that child in my dreams at
least once a month. Sometimes I respond to places less than others.
Afghanistan never got under my skin the way it does for others. I
think because the treatment of women is still so horrific, the
abuse of children... even among the educated classes.
FB: How did you balance the difficulties of writing about the
"sharp edges" of normal life in Ghosts by Daylightwhile living
them?
JDG: It was a very, very hard book to write, for many reasons.
Mainly because the characters who are the central ones are still
alive - my mother, my friends, my husband. And it was writing about
real pain and suffering, but this time my own. I felt very
vulnerable exposing myself but at the same time I knew it was a
part of healing, not just for me, but for other people who are
spouses of alcoholics or who suffer from PTSD (post-traumatic
stress disorder). After I finished it, people who know me very
well, my closest friends, wrote to say, "Why didn't you tell us?
Why didn't you ask for help? We were here for you." But I kept it
very quiet. On many levels, I just don't tell people things about
myself, I internalise a lot - on every level - stress, pain,
suffering. The only thing I am very open about is love. When I love
someone, I really love them. And I tell them. A lot.
FB: Where were you when you thought, "That's it - this is my
last war?"
JDG: Well, for sure I thought I would die in Chechnya. So I
wondered whether I would ever walk out of that country alive, let
alone cover another war. I think the moment passes; you almost
forget what you were feeling and then there is the terrible pull of
going back to a place like Somalia or Zimbabwe, where you think
there is darkness and you want to give a voice to people who have
none. I have been frightened many times. But you forget it, the
same way you forget the agonising pain of childbirth.
FB: Bosnia changed all the journalists who lived through it. You
recently wrote an essay for Granta about returning to Bosnia and
searching for a young boy, Nusrat, you met there. How do you carry
Bosnia with you today?
JDG: It is in the face of the little boy I love most in the world,
my son, Luca. He is seven, and I met his father there in 1993. If
that meeting never happened, that life would not come to be. But
aside from the personal reasons, I feel that country pulled me into
its vortex - I fell in love, deeply, with this wounded place and I
felt so much the horror and the injustice that happened there. I
was completely and utterly gutted that the carnage and suffering
people endured could have and should have been stopped. Let's just
say I did not emerge the same person I was when I first landed
there in 1992. It changed me.
FB: You write about the first "real" death you saw, in Bosnia,
and the autopilot mechanism it produced in you. About not knowing
how many dead bodies you'd seen over the course of reporting from
places like Rwanda and Sierra Leone. How does that sort of
mechanism evolve the more wars you live through and the more
violence you witness?
JDG: The French psychiatrist Boris Cyrulnik, who has done
extensive studies on resilience (and who himself survived losing
both his parents in the war), says that the people who survive such
things just have an innate button that they push in order to keep
their souls intact. I have no idea, but I do know I managed to stay
sane on some level and I saw plenty of my friends and colleagues go
down. I'm not stronger than them, I just think some people have
more resilience in their make-up than others...
FB: Does the new sanitised language of war still allow you to do
what it was that made you set out to become a journalist in the
first place - giving a voice to people who had none?
JDG: I am just not built to be told where to go, what to write,
what to look at.
I don't respond well to authority. I grew up in
the 1970s, the "question authority" generation. And I think
journalism has definitely suffered. Compare what was written in
Vietnam by reporters such as Gloria Emerson or David Halberstam to
the reporting that came out of Iraq. Just not the same
quality.
FB: Which newspapers do you read when at home in Paris?
JDG: I readle Figaro and le Parisien, because I get them free at
the gym. I don't watch TV but will check the 8pm news on France 2
and occasionally CNN and the BBC. I listen to the radio, France
Info, and I check the BBC website. But I am not
a news junkie any
more.
FB: General Patton said that the object of war isn't to die for
your country but to make the other bastard die for his. How has new
technology, epitomised by American drone attacks, changed the
nature of war?
JDG: What a terrible line. I am not sure war is worth the loss of
a single life. I think technology has moved us so far militarily
that we seem to have disassociated the victims. Drones are nearly
freakish, science fiction-like vehicles operated by someone back in
Arizona who has no clue what life is like on the ground. I remember
reporting from a remote village, a wedding party in Afghanistan
that had gotten bombed "accidentally" and finding pieces of
people's lives scattered everywhere - their bloody clothes, the
food they were eating, the smashed house. And the few living just
sobbing, grabbing my arm and asking, "Why?"
FB: Why do some people escape PTSD while others are consumed by
it?
Your husband Bruno's trauma from covering wars as a
photojournalist was of a different form than yours. Is it the
peculiarities of how one witnesses that kind of violence?
JDG: They say it's genetic, like alcoholism. They also say that
you do not get it until you have a second jarring trauma - then the
memories of the first come back. I am a great believer in
old-fashioned Woody Allen-style therapy. It's painful, it goes
on
forever, it hurts like hell, it makes you feel worse before you
feel better - but
it works. But you have to stick with it, and you
have to be honest. Personally,
I have been tested relentlessly and
thought I did not have it. Now, looking back over my reaction after
the traumatic birth of my son, I think I might have. I mean,
I
behaved like a madwoman hoarding water and medicine and afraid
people on the street were going to harm me and my baby... But I
would never put myself in
the same boat as someone in Srebrenica
or Kigali who saw their family massacred.
FB: Where to next? Martha Gellhorn said she didn't write, she
just wandered about. But she also wrote of this almost obsessive
need to follow war wherever she could reach it. Which one is it for
you?
JDG: At the moment, I would like to get to northern Kenya and
Mogadishu to report on the famine. I can't believe I am seeing the
same images from nearly 20 years ago - 1992 - that some of my
friends took, and they are taking the exact same ones right now.
Don't we ever learn anything from history?
Ghosts by Daylightis out now, published by Bloomsbury
Press.
janinedigiovanni.com




